Jared Crozier: Karlsson Lone Senator On World Cup Rosters

Why worry about the volume of total Sens players when we have the best player at his position participating?

but, but, but, but, but, The Sens are a top 5 caliber NHL team....

Melnyk said so.....

Zibby just needs to come into next season, and just be one of our best players out of the gate .He cant start off the first 50 games with a handful of goals ,and a few secondary assists ,we need much more consistant production from our number 2 center

Less chance that way for a Sens player to get hurt in a meaningless tournament just before the season starts...

Jared Crozier: Karlsson Lone Senator On World Cup Rosters
- JaredCrozier

But a bright star.

I love to hate the Sens but Karlsson is the first Sen I actually like. What a great talent. I hope the Leafs someday develop a player they drafted into a Karlsson type talent. Must be a treat to watch.

Less chance that way for a Sens player to get hurt in a meaningless tournament just before the season starts...
- Raven33

Yep agreed ,our players need to start paying to win as soon as the puck drops .Or heads will roll ,no more coach firings

People (in general) still don't really understand international selection it seems. If you have a majority of North American players (like Ottawa) chances are that you will have very little representation. It's just the way it works with the make up of the NHL. Sure we could have some Czech Republic plug playing on our 3rd line and have him make the Czech team, but it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference. Not a lot of sense in putting any stock into how many players from an NHL team go to the World Cup. Much ado about nothing.

Much ado about nothing.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agreed. There was no Senator left off a World Cup roster that absolutely deserved to be there.

Agreed. There was no Senator left off a World Cup roster that absolutely deserved to be there.
- SensFan25

Perron should have made team NA. Taking Nuge over him is ridiculous

Perron should have made team NA. Taking Nuge over him is ridiculous
- Garth_Mctavish

not sure hot Tom Pyatt got passed over by Canada...

not sure hot Tom Pyatt got passed over by Canada...
- DoubleDown

that guy cant sign worth a sh!t .......

oh wait, that's Tom Hyatt ... nevermind

People (in general) still don't really understand international selection it seems. If you have a majority of North American players (like Ottawa) chances are that you will have very little representation. It's just the way it works with the make up of the NHL. Sure we could have some Czech Republic plug playing on our 3rd line and have him make the Czech team, but it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference. Not a lot of sense in putting any stock into how many players from an NHL team go to the World Cup. Much ado about nothing.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

So you are saying it is ok to have a lot of Canadians and Americans, even if they aren't the really good ones? If you made up a 2nd team Canada, or even Team North America (without an age restriction) from the "snubs" how many Senators would be there...1 (Stone), maybe, possibly but not likely 2?

I am not suggesting any Ottawa player being left off should lead to a forensic investigation or anything of the sort. Could I make an argument for a couple, sure, but there would be an equal or better argument against.

Chicago's 4th line center (arguably 4th or 5th) made Team Sweden over Ottawa's 2LC...Ottawa's highest paid forward isn't even among the top 13 US forwards....

I know its not an exact science but it is also telling about how far away a team might be. Of the teams that are sending 6 or more players (15, half the league), 11 of them have players on Team Canada, 12 of them have players on Team USA, and 8 have at least one on each of those two teams. Add in team NA, who have 14 of the 23 players come from those teams.

Of those 15 teams that are sending 6 or more players, 12 were playoff teams this season.

Florida is the only playoff team sending fewer than 5 players, and that is because #68 politely declined an invitation due to old age.

The average team is sending 5.8 players to the tournament, and yes, some of the European clubs will have dug deeper on NHL rosters than others, and for Ottawa to be at the bottom of the list is a tad concerning, and while not exactly Chicken Little time, I don't think it is "much ado about nothing".

Good teams are being represented by their good players, regardless of what flag is beside their name.

So you are saying it is ok to have a lot of Canadians and Americans, even if they aren't the really good ones? If you made up a 2nd team Canada, or even Team North America (without an age restriction) from the "snubs" how many Senators would be there...1 (Stone), maybe, possibly but not likely 2?

I am not suggesting any Ottawa player being left off should lead to a forensic investigation or anything of the sort. Could I make an argument for a couple, sure, but there would be an equal or better argument against.

Chicago's 4th line center (arguably 4th or 5th) made Team Sweden over Ottawa's 2LC...Ottawa's highest paid forward isn't even among the top 13 US forwards....

I know its not an exact science but it is also telling about how far away a team might be. Of the teams that are sending 6 or more players (15, half the league), 11 of them have players on Team Canada, 12 of them have players on Team USA, and 8 have at least one on each of those two teams. Add in team NA, who have 14 of the 23 players come from those teams.

Of those 15 teams that are sending 6 or more players, 12 were playoff teams this season.

Florida is the only playoff team sending fewer than 5 players, and that is because #68 politely declined an invitation due to old age.

The average team is sending 5.8 players to the tournament, and yes, some of the European clubs will have dug deeper on NHL rosters than others, and for Ottawa to be at the bottom of the list is a tad concerning, and while not exactly Chicken Little time, I don't think it is "much ado about nothing".

Good teams are being represented by their good players, regardless of what flag is beside their name.
- JaredCrozier

Maybe it'll serve as a fire under the asses of guys like Zibanejad and Ceci to get better and maybe they'll warrant a selection

So you are saying it is ok to have a lot of Canadians and Americans, even if they aren't the really good ones? If you made up a 2nd team Canada, or even Team North America (without an age restriction) from the "snubs" how many Senators would be there...1 (Stone), maybe, possibly but not likely 2?

I am not suggesting any Ottawa player being left off should lead to a forensic investigation or anything of the sort. Could I make an argument for a couple, sure, but there would be an equal or better argument against.

Chicago's 4th line center (arguably 4th or 5th) made Team Sweden over Ottawa's 2LC...Ottawa's highest paid forward isn't even among the top 13 US forwards....

I know its not an exact science but it is also telling about how far away a team might be. Of the teams that are sending 6 or more players (15, half the league), 11 of them have players on Team Canada, 12 of them have players on Team USA, and 8 have at least one on each of those two teams. Add in team NA, who have 14 of the 23 players come from those teams.

Of those 15 teams that are sending 6 or more players, 12 were playoff teams this season.

Florida is the only playoff team sending fewer than 5 players, and that is because #68 politely declined an invitation due to old age.

The average team is sending 5.8 players to the tournament, and yes, some of the European clubs will have dug deeper on NHL rosters than others, and for Ottawa to be at the bottom of the list is a tad concerning, and while not exactly Chicken Little time, I don't think it is "much ado about nothing".

Good teams are being represented by their good players, regardless of what flag is beside their name.
- JaredCrozier

Guys like stone, zibby, Ceci, Ryan, Hoffman are easily good enough to make the respective teams they were eligible to make......and I'm pretty sure they all JUST missed being selected. So many undeserving players (especially for the US) are going to this tourney, and the selection process is incredibly subjective. I don think anything should be read into this.....except the fact that ottawa players won't risk injury in a meaningless tournament

So you are saying it is ok to have a lot of Canadians and Americans, even if they aren't the really good ones? If you made up a 2nd team Canada, or even Team North America (without an age restriction) from the "snubs" how many Senators would be there...1 (Stone), maybe, possibly but not likely 2?

I am not suggesting any Ottawa player being left off should lead to a forensic investigation or anything of the sort. Could I make an argument for a couple, sure, but there would be an equal or better argument against.

Chicago's 4th line center (arguably 4th or 5th) made Team Sweden over Ottawa's 2LC...Ottawa's highest paid forward isn't even among the top 13 US forwards....

I know its not an exact science but it is also telling about how far away a team might be. Of the teams that are sending 6 or more players (15, half the league), 11 of them have players on Team Canada, 12 of them have players on Team USA, and 8 have at least one on each of those two teams. Add in team NA, who have 14 of the 23 players come from those teams.

Of those 15 teams that are sending 6 or more players, 12 were playoff teams this season.

Florida is the only playoff team sending fewer than 5 players, and that is because #68 politely declined an invitation due to old age.

The average team is sending 5.8 players to the tournament, and yes, some of the European clubs will have dug deeper on NHL rosters than others, and for Ottawa to be at the bottom of the list is a tad concerning, and while not exactly Chicken Little time, I don't think it is "much ado about nothing".

Good teams are being represented by their good players, regardless of what flag is beside their name.
- JaredCrozier

I was going to add that it's also a bit of a reflection on where our group is. No denying that. However, there are many other good players (North American) that aren't going, but considered huge pieces to franchises. Phil Kessel, Corey Perry, Taylor Hall, Letang, etc. It happens. It's effing hard to make team Canada. It's hard to make team USA. The North American team is just hard to make due to silly rules.

Our roster is a work in progress. I'm as critical as anybody about our lack of top players, but I don't think it's fair to judge it based on the World Cup selections. If you have a roster mostly comprised of North American players, you'll always end up sending less than teams who have a mix. Hypothetically, if we had Hall, Perry, and Lentang to this roster, would it still be seen a poor roster? Would have the same amount of players going to the World Cup. If we had Seguin, we would only be sending two guys. etc.

There are improvements to be made on the roster. Judging from World Cup selections isn't the way to grade it. Simply grasping at straws for summer hockey talk because we are effing bored.

It's a pointless tournament, who cares. There were a lot of snubs, but the selection of players is too large for there not to be any in the first place.

Ottawa has the best player in the world representing them in this tournament.

I was going to add that it's also a bit of a reflection on where our group is. No denying that. However, there are many other good players (North American) that aren't going, but considered huge pieces to franchises. Phil Kessel, Corey Perry, Taylor Hall, Letang, etc. It happens. It's effing hard to make team Canada. It's hard to make team USA. The North American team is just hard to make due to silly rules.

Our roster is a work in progress. I'm as critical as anybody about our lack of top players, but I don't think it's fair to judge it based on the World Cup selections. If you have a roster mostly comprised of North American players, you'll always end up sending less than teams who have a mix. Hypothetically, if we had Hall, Perry, and Lentang to this roster, would it still be seen a poor roster? Would have the same amount of players going to the World Cup. If we had Seguin, we would only be sending two guys. etc.

There are improvements to be made on the roster. Judging from World Cup selections isn't the way to grade it. Simply grasping at straws for summer hockey talk because we are effing bored.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

i think it's ridiculous to read anything into ottawa only having one player.....i named 5 guys above (stone, ceci, zibby, ryan, hoffman) who i'd take over probably 40+ guys who were selected for this tournament (from NHL teams).

hoffman - team Canada is STACKED. a poopload of NHL stars were left off that roster.

ryan - the selection of team USA looks like it was done with a dart board by blindfolded monkeys.....half the guys on that team could be replaced by better players.

ceci and stone - again, team north america is stacked, but i bet these were the next 2 guys on the list to make that team.

zibby - similar to hoffman, sweden is stacked....despite that there are probably 4-5 of their forwards (silfverberg, hagelin, kruger, soderberg, and eriksson) who i would take zibanejad over.

I'm normally up for off the wall sorta correlation between obscure tidbits and what it says about the team as a whole, but this is silly.

The world cup of hockey is a joke of an event and the selections are the worst way to decide who has the best players.

Marcus Kruger made Sweden. Brings his 4 point NHL total to the table from this year. He did have a 9 goal year that one time. Sure wish the Sens had him instead of Zibanejad.

It's too bad we have Bobby Ryan instead of Ryan Callahan. His 10 goals while playing alongside Steven Stamkos sure makes Bobby Ryan look like a chump. Only managing 22 while playing a good chunk of the year beside Scott Gomez.

The Canucks are sending 4 players to the World Cup. They must be in GREAT shape! Surprised they aren't playing in the finals right now. Sens can't even compare to the Avs who are sending, what? 7? Cup champs this year, right?

So you are saying it is ok to have a lot of Canadians and Americans, even if they aren't the really good ones? If you made up a 2nd team Canada, or even Team North America (without an age restriction) from the "snubs" how many Senators would be there...1 (Stone), maybe, possibly but not likely 2?

I am not suggesting any Ottawa player being left off should lead to a forensic investigation or anything of the sort. Could I make an argument for a couple, sure, but there would be an equal or better argument against.

Chicago's 4th line center (arguably 4th or 5th) made Team Sweden over Ottawa's 2LC...Ottawa's highest paid forward isn't even among the top 13 US forwards....

I know its not an exact science but it is also telling about how far away a team might be. Of the teams that are sending 6 or more players (15, half the league), 11 of them have players on Team Canada, 12 of them have players on Team USA, and 8 have at least one on each of those two teams. Add in team NA, who have 14 of the 23 players come from those teams.

Of those 15 teams that are sending 6 or more players, 12 were playoff teams this season.

Florida is the only playoff team sending fewer than 5 players, and that is because #68 politely declined an invitation due to old age.

The average team is sending 5.8 players to the tournament, and yes, some of the European clubs will have dug deeper on NHL rosters than others, and for Ottawa to be at the bottom of the list is a tad concerning, and while not exactly Chicken Little time, I don't think it is "much ado about nothing".

Good teams are being represented by their good players, regardless of what flag is beside their name.
- JaredCrozier

What do you mean by "snubs "?

Could it simply be a difference of perception between Sens fans and the rest of the hockey world?

What do you mean by "snubs "?

Could it simply be a difference of perception between Sens fans and the rest of the hockey world?
- walshyleafsfan

He was referring to all players considered "snubs" not just ones from Ottawa.

And yes, there are "snubs" from Ottawa......meaning there were players taken on some teams who are not as talented as players from Ottawa who were left off.

I agree with Jared's point that the lack of Ottawa representation is on some levels an indictment of the number of high end players and does not reflect well on the organization. The fact that we have a high number of Canada / US players does mitigate this somewhat as they were the two toughest rosters to crack. The fact that Bobby Ryan was not included on the US roster is a slap in the face to him and a strong indication that the Sens did not get value for money nor did they get a high character person with a strong desire to achieve results. At a minimum, Melnyk's claim to be a top 5 team in the NHL, well...
Ottawa is currently a mediocre team with 1 superstar. Hopefully, Dorion can work some magic at the draft to bring in more talent. The 2015 draft was a very good one for us. We need to find and add some more high end talent.

I agree with Jared's point that the lack of Ottawa representation is on some levels an indictment of the number of high end players and does not reflect well on the organization. The fact that we have a high number of Canada / US players does mitigate this somewhat as they were the two toughest rosters to crack. The fact that Bobby Ryan was not included on the US roster is a slap in the face to him and a strong indication that the Sens did not get value for money nor did they get a high character person with a strong desire to achieve results. At a minimum, Melnyk's claim to be a top 5 team in the NHL, well...
Ottawa is currently a mediocre team with 1 superstar. Hopefully, Dorion can work some magic at the draft to bring in more talent. The 2015 draft was a very good one for us. We need to find and add some more high end talent.
- SensFan25

first of all...the US is probably one of, if not the worst roster in the tournament.

second.....guys like kessel, shattenkirk, fowler, etc didn't make team USA either...proving that the brain trust who picked that team are pretty out to lunch, not that those guys (and ryan) weren't good enough to be on the team.

First we need to understand this is an exhibition tournament just one step removed from the seriousness of an all star game. I am not sure who I will cheer for or even if I will bother to watch. But, I do like the idea of the kids playing in the tournament and I think the Finns and Laine are potentially a huge story.

One more scouting service came out today ranking Laine as the #1 NHL draft prospect. The tournament may serve as a Calder launching pad.